PCAA quarterly meeting - drainage 2021 Jun 14 clip 05:34 D - David T-G E - Ed Wood B - Don Boggus A - Al Loveless R - Randy Thomason P - Phil Eberly W - Wendell Turner E David, one question for you. D Yes? E There's been a problem with water egress into the maintenance hangar next to yours. D Mmm hmm E One of the requirements of your building that hangar was to get gutters on it. D Mmm hmm E I know you're in the process of building. Are you close to that, are you close to getting that taken care of. Because it is negatively impacting the business next to you. D Pretty close, yes. And we actually were looking at all of the flooding going on, and water was just runnin' off of the ramp. So we did have some of course coming off of the roof, -- E But remember, they've had some flooding problems they've tried to take care of already. D Mmm hmm E The water has increased tremendously with what's comin' off that roof. D That's not what I saw when I was looking at the rain, standing there in the deluge. We absolutely do plan to have gutters, we're moving toward gutters as quickly as we can; we understand that that's a requirement, and we're happy with it. -- E Yeah, that's my question, is timing. Approximately how long? D We're working as fast as we can, yeah. But the water that does come off of the roof goes straight down to the west and is not what is backing up along the Joe Aircraft front of the hangar and even along the side. We've been working to improve the swale between the two so that it won't do anything, because, you know, you certainly don't want water -- R There was a drain there ... D -- running against the foundation, so we've been working -- R there was a drain there <...> coming over the <...> D -- to make sure that that doesn't cause a problem by reshaping the swale of the natural ground there. E When we do that rehab on the ramp out there we need to work on drainage a little bit as -- R That is a huge problem -- E -- part of the process. R -- only because of the elevation of the ramp goin' into their hangar has drastically changed the flow with the dirt between his hangar and Garrett's hangar, it doesn't allow the water to flow freely between the two. P So between hangars there was nothing gonna be done. R Right P It should be exactly what was there -- R It is not. E Once we get gutters on there, there should be no increase in flow. And we've had some unusual rains. P Because what you were gettin' off the ramp before is what you were -- E ... is what you were gettin' off the ramp before. D I will say that I'm not entirely sure that's accurate. We used to have, let's say, 75 feet worth of mostly permeable space, and we would get flooded like Garrett would get flooded. We -- when we poured our pad, we raised up above the elevation of the ramp as it stands today, and so ... in the recent rains we've actually come pretty close to getting flooded ourselves; there's no way he could have survived. But instead of getting flooded ourselves and it immediately percolating off there, it does have to go to one side or the other, and our, our site engineer made sure that, you know, we had the proper flow to go that way -- P You raised your finish foot <...> you made a dam, and the water that was coming off is now has to go around. D One side or the other. P So it's increased. D Right, yeah. And, and all that was done per the site survey and the approval, and the original application, so I'm sure there is more water flowing between the two; that makes sense because it is not just flooding me; it has to go somewhere. However, what we were seein' was that it was happily moving straight out to the West. And we've in fact done a bit of work to improve that flow out on the, the western side, essentially the, the so-called "back" of where we're leasing, to make sure that it goes. So it, it is something that needs to be handled in the new ramp design. W It was ankle-deep. D Or more. Yeah, yes, sir. W I was there. It's deep. There's a lot more than his. P If you block the water from comin' off, you're shootin' to the side. That wasn't the intent of, of that ... R The dirt between the hangars is not allowin' it to drain. It's just <...>. We gotta work on that. A What should have been the original deal was they shoulda put a 12" grate drain all across his new hangar and tunneled it out, just like I did Garrett's, trying to stop that water before. We stopped about half of it. R Yeah A So, that's what shoulda happened on his hangar. That's what I would recommend now, is to put a big grate across there, catch that water, don't divert it to the left and right, catch it, put it in pipe -- E Control it A -- and send it to the back. R Yep D That can be something that happens as part of the new ramp design, 'cuz I'm sure the ramp is gonna come up some, 'cuz -- P <...> You're paying for it instead of ... E Exactly P <...> A Well, that's what, that's another thing. The County should not have be havin' to pay for that. -- E Agreed A I mean, whoever built that hangar did not build it right. Per ... I mean, nothin's right about it. About the site work, ... I'm in the grading business. I own this, ... I- I know everything about dirt work and piping. None of that was done right. None of it. So ... just divertin' it over to other people don't work. It's against the law now. You know, in residential grading, you can't put your water on my property no matter what you do. So, if, if they wanna pipe it, they need to put a da- a, a inlet right there, a four-foot inlet, which probably don't have enough room in there, but do a inlet, a drop inlet, pipe it out with 8", 12" downspots all the way to the back. And that's part of the expense that goes to that building that building. It should have been in the site plan, all that stuff should have been in there, and it wasn't. Or if it was, I didn't see it. So ... all that needs to be -- the County can't just keep on takin' on everybody else's burdens, on money -- E Agreed A So, you know, and this is another part, that I'm here and I'll say what I got, and then I'm leavin'. I'm just ... You know, I'm not tryin' to do it personal, man, but you think you own that place. Every -- If you, if I could poll every pilot on that whole airport, they don't like you -- D All right. -- A -- they're done with -- D -- We're done with public input now. Is there anybody else that has anything? [pause] OK.